Based on this thread:
Message 1173275023/A+Bit+Of+Friendly+Advise+For+Our+Newbies%21%21%21%21%21%21
I thought that it might be a good idea to collect advice from the forum old timers and experienced collectors that might be helpful for forum newbies and overall watch collecting and selling newbies, to both get them started, familiarized with the hobbie and the forum mechanics, and to try and help them not get screwed.
PLEASE POST ANY ADDITIONAL FAQ INFORMATION YOU FEEL BELONGS HERE.
Zoodles had some great links on articles with advice for beginner watch collectors, which might be worth posting here.
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FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
First let?s start with some well thought out answers to frequently asked questions that KevinMC posted a while back (I cleaned up his post a little bit) HERE:
http://www.larrybiggs.net/scwf/index.php?mod=103&action=1&id=1165863061
Answers to Seiko FAQ?s:
- EVERY modern Seiko FULL sized [ISO rated] diver takes 22mm spring bars and straps (except the monster has 20mm lugs, but it is it's own thing)
- FAT spring bars are exactly that. FAT. 1.5mm x 29, 20, 22 ( yes there are more odd-ball sizes)
- The 6309 Diver has 22mm lugs
- The 6105 Diver has 19mm lugs
- NO original bracelet ever came with the 6309 diver
- NO Yao Dial will fit the 6309 movement, without being clever. (its not that hard think movement spacer and tiny drill), but the hands will fit most vintage movements , with some effort
- NO 7s26 movements hacks
- NO 6309/6105/7002 will fit in 7s26 case easily or visa versa
- YES the 6309 is Bigger than the 7s26 moderns style guys
- YES the MM is all that.
- If your dial of super common vintage seiko looks different, its probably not rare. sorry.
- If you want to learn about 6139 try to search: TY or Cobrajet25, 6139 - (eg: http://www.larrybiggs.net/scwf/index.php?mod=103&action=1&id=1140376570 )
- If you want to search 6138 bull head search: bullhead, Isthmus ? (eg: Message 1136574191/ )
- If you want to search vintage Seiko Dive start with Mike Mounce
- If you want to search 6309 I would start with Shawn [Divers heaven], or try the guide (which contains lots of Shawn?s info): (Message 1138639790/HOW+TO+BUY+A+SEIKO+6309+DIVER+%28Belongs+in+FAQ%29 )
- If you want to search on bellmatics try searching for posts by JohnN or for a link to the Bellmatic Republic
- If you want to search specific technical information on 6309 and 6105 movements and watches try searching for posts by Randall Benson.
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Advice for New Forum Members Regarding General Watch Information Found in the Forum:
It would really help other forumers help you with your questions if you try doing some of the following things first:
1. Post pictures with your questions. Nothing will get your question ignored quicker than asking for specific information or opinions on a specific watch (especially vintage models), without those giving the info being able to see what you are talking about. If you need information, help the posters help you by posting pictures of the item in question.
2. If you need to post images, you are better off hosting them off-site and deep linking them from there. Photobucket and Imageshack seem to be two of the preferred free hosting services. This forum does not use image tags in square brackets: [img][/img]. it uses the unes that look like this <img>. You don't have to insert image tags when posting, just the image's web address. The forum software will automatically insert the image tags.
3. Please ask questions, but BEFORE YOU DO RUN A SEARCH. There is a very, very good chance that your question has been asked before more than once and answered at length. The Search link above works best when you search for specific text between quotation marks. The ?New Search Engine? link at the top of the page is even better and much more comprehensive (it will search the forum's database going back a really long time). I advise you start your search with the new search engine. If you still can't find the information, let us know what you found and what you are still looking for.
4. Before asking for pictures of a specific watch, try the advice on #3 above first. Google (and in particular Google Images) also works very well. Usually a search under the words Seiko and the model number or the 8-digit model-case number is good at yielding results.
5. User's contact e-mails are normally (though not always) embedded into their username, which is the first of the two links you see at the top right of every post made by that person. If the person did not embed his address, run a search in the database. Chances are he did at a prior time.
6. Familiarize yourself with the forums resources, such as the watch photo database, the diver's reference, the OT/repair forum, stompox's watch-wiki, etc.
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Advice for New Forum Members regarding Sales and Purchases:
Originally Posted by J.T.:
Please enjoy this forum BUT...... please also remember to ask for references on anyone you are going to deal with. If you don?t know them you really should read the forum a little while and it will become clear who the "good Guys and Girls" are. I have NEVER been burnt by anyone on this forum! I can not say that for other places on the WEB. So.....Be sure before your next trade/Sale and ask if anyone has dealt with that person and what they experienced. Glad to have all of you here and from one SCTF member to another......WELCOME!
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Originally Posted by Zoodles95:
Post pics of watches you are thinking of buying too. We are glad to offer input and will point out a fake if we see one. Just don't post links to live auctions...
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Originally Posted by swedefreak:
When asking about parts and such, please include the COMPLETE eight digit movement-casing number from the back of the watch eg: 6139-6002. Simply asking for a 6139 crystal will not work. Also the retail numbers eg: SKX013, do not allow a parts search.
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Originally Posted by Isthmus:
If you are a new seller, it should behoove the new seller to offer links to sources for references if he is concerned about the issue affecting his sale.
Also new sellers should keep in mind that pricing often reflects how well a sale moves on the trade forum. Unlike eBay, most buyers on forums tend to be very knowledgeable of what price they should be paying for specific items, and will pass on a sale if the price isn't quite right. New sellers often tend to make the mistake of trying to resell pieces at prices relative to the sellers purchase price, which sadly sometimes reflects the inflated price that was originally paid.
Searching the eBay and trade forums for existing and completed sales of specific items can sometimes help establish the rough going rate amongst forumers for a specific item, and increase the chance that the item will be sold.
If you are a buyer and the seller does not post his e-mail information in a sales post, the seller's contact e-mails are normally (though not always) embedded into their username, which is the first of the two links you see at the top right of every post made by that person. If the person did not embed his address, run a search in the database. Chances are he did at a prior time. Also note that many forum members often add things like ?NOSPAM? into their addresses. Keep in mind that such text is intended to cut down on unwanted spam. You are supposed to remove it to get the actual address.
BEFORE BUYING ANYTHING, especially vintage watches, Please, please, please educate yourself as much as possible on the specific watch you are interested in. Not only is confidence in the seller important, but so is knowing what you are supposed to be buying and how much you should be paying for what you are buying (based on condition or level of frankenization).
Above all else, exercise patience in your purchases. No watch buy is ever the last one of a specific model (especially when it comes to Asian watches), and rarely are they ever Rare.
GO HOKIES!!!
Message 1173275023/A+Bit+Of+Friendly+Advise+For+Our+Newbies%21%21%21%21%21%21
I thought that it might be a good idea to collect advice from the forum old timers and experienced collectors that might be helpful for forum newbies and overall watch collecting and selling newbies, to both get them started, familiarized with the hobbie and the forum mechanics, and to try and help them not get screwed.
PLEASE POST ANY ADDITIONAL FAQ INFORMATION YOU FEEL BELONGS HERE.
Zoodles had some great links on articles with advice for beginner watch collectors, which might be worth posting here.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
First let?s start with some well thought out answers to frequently asked questions that KevinMC posted a while back (I cleaned up his post a little bit) HERE:
http://www.larrybiggs.net/scwf/index.php?mod=103&action=1&id=1165863061
Answers to Seiko FAQ?s:
- EVERY modern Seiko FULL sized [ISO rated] diver takes 22mm spring bars and straps (except the monster has 20mm lugs, but it is it's own thing)
- FAT spring bars are exactly that. FAT. 1.5mm x 29, 20, 22 ( yes there are more odd-ball sizes)
- The 6309 Diver has 22mm lugs
- The 6105 Diver has 19mm lugs
- NO original bracelet ever came with the 6309 diver
- NO Yao Dial will fit the 6309 movement, without being clever. (its not that hard think movement spacer and tiny drill), but the hands will fit most vintage movements , with some effort
- NO 7s26 movements hacks
- NO 6309/6105/7002 will fit in 7s26 case easily or visa versa
- YES the 6309 is Bigger than the 7s26 moderns style guys
- YES the MM is all that.
- If your dial of super common vintage seiko looks different, its probably not rare. sorry.
- If you want to learn about 6139 try to search: TY or Cobrajet25, 6139 - (eg: http://www.larrybiggs.net/scwf/index.php?mod=103&action=1&id=1140376570 )
- If you want to search 6138 bull head search: bullhead, Isthmus ? (eg: Message 1136574191/ )
- If you want to search vintage Seiko Dive start with Mike Mounce
- If you want to search 6309 I would start with Shawn [Divers heaven], or try the guide (which contains lots of Shawn?s info): (Message 1138639790/HOW+TO+BUY+A+SEIKO+6309+DIVER+%28Belongs+in+FAQ%29 )
- If you want to search on bellmatics try searching for posts by JohnN or for a link to the Bellmatic Republic
- If you want to search specific technical information on 6309 and 6105 movements and watches try searching for posts by Randall Benson.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Advice for New Forum Members Regarding General Watch Information Found in the Forum:
It would really help other forumers help you with your questions if you try doing some of the following things first:
1. Post pictures with your questions. Nothing will get your question ignored quicker than asking for specific information or opinions on a specific watch (especially vintage models), without those giving the info being able to see what you are talking about. If you need information, help the posters help you by posting pictures of the item in question.
2. If you need to post images, you are better off hosting them off-site and deep linking them from there. Photobucket and Imageshack seem to be two of the preferred free hosting services. This forum does not use image tags in square brackets: [img][/img]. it uses the unes that look like this <img>. You don't have to insert image tags when posting, just the image's web address. The forum software will automatically insert the image tags.
3. Please ask questions, but BEFORE YOU DO RUN A SEARCH. There is a very, very good chance that your question has been asked before more than once and answered at length. The Search link above works best when you search for specific text between quotation marks. The ?New Search Engine? link at the top of the page is even better and much more comprehensive (it will search the forum's database going back a really long time). I advise you start your search with the new search engine. If you still can't find the information, let us know what you found and what you are still looking for.
4. Before asking for pictures of a specific watch, try the advice on #3 above first. Google (and in particular Google Images) also works very well. Usually a search under the words Seiko and the model number or the 8-digit model-case number is good at yielding results.
5. User's contact e-mails are normally (though not always) embedded into their username, which is the first of the two links you see at the top right of every post made by that person. If the person did not embed his address, run a search in the database. Chances are he did at a prior time.
6. Familiarize yourself with the forums resources, such as the watch photo database, the diver's reference, the OT/repair forum, stompox's watch-wiki, etc.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Advice for New Forum Members regarding Sales and Purchases:
Originally Posted by J.T.:
Please enjoy this forum BUT...... please also remember to ask for references on anyone you are going to deal with. If you don?t know them you really should read the forum a little while and it will become clear who the "good Guys and Girls" are. I have NEVER been burnt by anyone on this forum! I can not say that for other places on the WEB. So.....Be sure before your next trade/Sale and ask if anyone has dealt with that person and what they experienced. Glad to have all of you here and from one SCTF member to another......WELCOME!
--------------------------
Originally Posted by Zoodles95:
Post pics of watches you are thinking of buying too. We are glad to offer input and will point out a fake if we see one. Just don't post links to live auctions...
--------------------------
Originally Posted by swedefreak:
When asking about parts and such, please include the COMPLETE eight digit movement-casing number from the back of the watch eg: 6139-6002. Simply asking for a 6139 crystal will not work. Also the retail numbers eg: SKX013, do not allow a parts search.
--------------------------
Originally Posted by Isthmus:
If you are a new seller, it should behoove the new seller to offer links to sources for references if he is concerned about the issue affecting his sale.
Also new sellers should keep in mind that pricing often reflects how well a sale moves on the trade forum. Unlike eBay, most buyers on forums tend to be very knowledgeable of what price they should be paying for specific items, and will pass on a sale if the price isn't quite right. New sellers often tend to make the mistake of trying to resell pieces at prices relative to the sellers purchase price, which sadly sometimes reflects the inflated price that was originally paid.
Searching the eBay and trade forums for existing and completed sales of specific items can sometimes help establish the rough going rate amongst forumers for a specific item, and increase the chance that the item will be sold.
If you are a buyer and the seller does not post his e-mail information in a sales post, the seller's contact e-mails are normally (though not always) embedded into their username, which is the first of the two links you see at the top right of every post made by that person. If the person did not embed his address, run a search in the database. Chances are he did at a prior time. Also note that many forum members often add things like ?NOSPAM? into their addresses. Keep in mind that such text is intended to cut down on unwanted spam. You are supposed to remove it to get the actual address.
BEFORE BUYING ANYTHING, especially vintage watches, Please, please, please educate yourself as much as possible on the specific watch you are interested in. Not only is confidence in the seller important, but so is knowing what you are supposed to be buying and how much you should be paying for what you are buying (based on condition or level of frankenization).
Above all else, exercise patience in your purchases. No watch buy is ever the last one of a specific model (especially when it comes to Asian watches), and rarely are they ever Rare.
GO HOKIES!!!
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Responses
- Hey Gabe, I've got an idea..... - OldHippie1968 on Mar 07, 2007, 11:24 AM
- E-mail sent to you, Gabe.....n/t - OldHippie1968 on Mar 07, 2007, 11:34 AM
- Great thread and ideas Gabe! Here's the articles again... - Zoodles95 on Mar 07, 2007, 02:44 PM
- PASS IT ON - Russell Iadanza on Mar 07, 2007, 03:37 PM
- Hey Russell how's that 6309 treating you? - Zoodles95 on Mar 07, 2007, 04:56 PM
- Thanks Gabe! Nice consolidation. - MarkS on Mar 07, 2007, 04:01 PM
- Isthmus, your collection of FAQs for newbies Belongs in the FAQ (nt) - fm-sands on Mar 08, 2007, 05:15 PM